trish <ocon> wrote:
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:31:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: trish <ocon>
Subject: [ Bible Prophecy Discussions ] Re: WHAT JUDGE NOT MEANS?
Chere ma soeur Marie,I share you views! Paul said, "Beware of Dogs!", (those who have made a living out of dividing up the body of Christ)…yet, who is heeding this today? Denominations have come out of the idea that it is ok to do such a thing. But where is the plan for denominationalism in Paul’s writings, or Jesus’ admonitions?In fact, it is only the opposite: avoid those who bring in division.I bless you for your courage, to stand against the tide of sin…stay in the Lord, keep reading the Cutting Edge, and also here is an excellent site where you can download booklets for free (in many languages, including French): www.1kor12-12.orgI have been part of the translation team for about 8 years now…and warning!God has spoken to Americanchurchesofbabylon through 911, but they responded with lies and war….the right hand of the Lord is lifted high! Love, Trish
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Subject: [ Bible Prophecy Discussions ] WHAT JUDGE NOT MEANS?
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Date: Tuesday, March 18, 2008, 11:22 AMWHAT JUDGE NOT MEANS?By Marie BuchananProudly an HereticAccording to the Roman Catholic Churchã 2008Please take good note that this is the first version.This is a reaction of my 20 years experience with pastors and the so-called "Christians". (Did I say "so-called"? Yes, I said so and please take the time to read and meditate God’s word if you can to understand what I am saying)Matthew7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.What "judge not" (Mt 7:1) means according to the word of God? As a tip, we need to not only focus on Matthew 7:1…Does that mean that we should not judge the fruits? Let’s see….According to the Word of God, that means that once you let God do the "housework" in your own life, you can use the same spiritual judgment you used to judge your own fruits to judge the fruits to judge the fruits of folks calling themselves Christians – "and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye". (Matthiew 7:5)We are not talking about sending a person in hell nor to commit a murder here, right? So don’t bother me with your "religiosity" that I truly don’t care. We are talking about judging the fruits. Don’t tell me that I can not judge the fruits because you are making the Lord Jesus Christ a liar because He said that you can do it.Matthew13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.Please don’t misunderstand me here or do not put words in my mouth. I am not saying that if you see one time your brother or sister in Christ sin that you should jump on the gun. My goal is not to create a cult. Cultists who like to control you are doing that.But if the brother or sister in Christ is living in sin (continuously in sin, practice of sin or that is their way of life) then you can judge the fruits and even apply the Church discipline. What did I say here? Did I mention Church discipline? Yes, I did. (a couple of "pastors" would ask me: "how dare you"? and my answer to them would be: "I have the authority given by the Lord Jesus Christ to do so. Are you greater than the Lord?")God just told me that I can know if a tree is good by its fruits and if the tree is not good, I can apply these verses:2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.Did James said show me your fruits and I will see your faith? Read carefully:James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.What does that mean? That means that since I am not God, the only way I have to know if you are a Christian or not is to evaluate your fruits and if your fruits are evil, then I can consider you as an unbeliever until the proof of the contrary.And here is more directly about the Church discipline. In fact, this Scripture below is plainly supporting this view:1 Corinthians 59 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person. (is it clear enough?)Even the Lord Jesus says:Matthew 7: 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.Mark 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.Titus 1: 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.***To not forget the rule of the two or three witnesses and the application we can do today of this spiritual law is surely to put them away the Church according to 1 Cor. 5:13 simply because they executed the false witnesses in the Old Testament***To not forget also the process if somebody is caught in serious sin of the one-one and see if that person sincerely repents, then two, etc…then the Church and then if no serious repentance – out of fellowship***Well, that is the Lord Jesus’ command to me as a future Church leader – most likely in a home based Church because I am grounded on earth and I do know that most pastors don’t want me to do my own work. Why? That’s very simple. Because they want to be the "pastor" even if they can not really be one. In fact, they are plenty who want to teach you – when the bible says that they should be few to teach because of the important responsibility to teach the truth. ( ) (In fact, I am really free to say the truth simply because I am not receiving a dime from anybody and I am living this day like it would be my last one) So why a "pastor" does not want me to talk? They are feeding their stupid little ego by pretending that they can tell you all the counsel of God (it’s what they are supposed to do to tell all the counsel of God according to Acts 20:27) so of course they don’t want me to really tell something because they would look as "fools" even if in fact they would begin to be wise by letting other real and true Christians talk – if they are Christians themselves because after all, the biblical model is NOT one pastor and the crowd (that is the Roman Catholic model) but few godly men teaching and the crowd participating as it is written:1 Cor. 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.Why do you think that I am spreading the truth online? (by the way, I am not a pastor but I am applying 1 Cor 14:3: "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort" because I asked God the gift of prophesy since many years and I know enough God’s word to use my gift) That is the only place that I can tell the truth. My best friend is God Himself and the very reason of my existence (and why I am on earth yet) is to DO HIS WILL. Like everybody on earth, I have only one life to live and I will meet God and I will be accountable for what I did NOT DO and most evangelical folks will go in hell simply because they do not apply this:Matthiew13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.Matthiew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. (explain this verse)Luke 1616 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. (explain this verse)I lost enough time in my life (God will tell me how much time I stupidly trashed) and I don’t have time LEFT TO WASTE simply because I don’t know when God will take me home. If I am not doing something significant at 42 years old, then I won’t do anything good with my life AND IT IS NOT WHAT I WANT and of course, Satan does not like me at all. Satan does not like that I stand for the truth and I will be told that I think that "I am God" and that "I have a big head" but I don’t care about what Satan thinks anymore. I am used to be FALSELY ACCUSED. God knows that I am very far from being a monster even if I am used to be rejected but like the word of God says I can rejoice to be rejected by doing God’s will because that’s the way the prophets were treated and I am not greater than Jesus Christ nor the prophets of the Bible – I am just his disciple. As it is written in:Luke 622 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake.23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.THE MONSTERS ARE THESE PASTORS WHO ARE PRETENDING TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH BUT THEY ARE PREACHING ANOTHER GOSPEL AND ANOTHER CHRIST.Like it is written in Galatians 6: 3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.Now the spiritual discipline above (even if the member would be thrown out the Church)has to be applied according toGalatians 61 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.2 Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.5 For every man shall bear his own burden.6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.Luke 1616 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. (explain this verse)2 Timothy 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.I am called to be a leader in His church? If you would ask the Lord Jesus He would tell you the answer but I am not called to be the top leader simply because I am not a male and I do respect God’s word ENTIRELY. (I am not taking what is pleasing my flesh and drop the rest like a lot of folks (and pastors) do these days)I am literally inviting all these so-called pastors to come "fight" with me to see if they can win with God’s word because they can’t beat the Holy Spirit of God who is alive in me and Who is revealing to me their stupid games. (of course if you are impressed by a biblical degree, I don’t have one and you are the fool if it is what it takes to get your attention simply because the truth should get your attention and as a tip, the Lord Jesus Himself did not even have a biblical degree and this, I can prove very easily and this document will be updated until I’ll be satisfied with the results) Prove me wrong with God’s word if I am wrong but I am telling you up front that you will have to erase and/or distort the verses of this document to "prove" me wrong and if you say that you believe the entire word of God then you will have to accept that these verses are inside the word of God and apply them for yourself as a pastor or at least stop to live a lie by putting the whole Bible in the garbage and by stopping to make a living with lies. SHAME ON YOU, WOLVES !!In His Service and willing to die for Him IF it is His will (Rev. 20:4)(to die martyr is not exactly my preferred way to leave this evil world but He knows what He is doing and that might happen because I am not trying to please "men" anymore as you can see for yourself)Marie Buchananp.s. Is to be a disciple optional? Huummmm…… I don’t think so according to the meditation of God’s word above and according to Dallas Willard, author of The Divine Conspiracy in "The Great Omission" when he is talking about the disciples of Jesus: "Given this desire, usually produced by the lives and words of those already in the Way, there is still a decision to be made: the decision to devote oneself to becoming like Christ. The disciple is one who, intent upon becoming Christ-like and so dwelling in his "faith and practice" systematically and progressively rearranges his affairs to that end. By these decisions and actions, even today, one enrolls in Christ’s training, become his pupil or disciple. THERE IS NO OTHER WAY". (p. 7) and to put this in my own words that means that if you are not his disciple you are going in hell if you’d die today. A friend’s advice: Don’t wait to be dead to discover the truth because you will burn for eternity to avoid the truth Himself, the Lord Jesus Christ. (Jn. 14:6)p.s.p.s. I am a KJV onlyist? he..he..he… Since I am French, the answer should be obvious. I am using the KJV simply because I know it is a reliable Bible (not corrupted version if you’d prefer) but it is definitively not the only bible I knowJ
Marie M. Buchanan, M.Ps.
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